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Òàêàÿ ñèòóàöèÿ. Ê íàì îáðàòèëàñü îäíà ôèðìà. Åñòü ñêàâàæèíà, äàåò âîäó äëÿ ÒÝÖ. Ñòîèò øàéáà, óñòàíîâëåíà åù¸ â ñîâåòñêîå âðåìÿ. Äèàìåòð òðóáû è øàéáû óòî÷íþ ïîòîì. Ñòîèò äàò÷èê ÄÌ 3583, è âòîðè÷êà ÊÑÄ-2. Îíè õîòÿò çàìåíèò ýòè ïðèáîðû, ïðè ýòîì íå ìåíÿÿ øàéáû. Ñêâàæèíà ïîñòîÿííî äåéñòâóþùàÿ, îòêëþ÷àò íåëüçÿ. Êàêîé äàò÷èê ñ êàêèì âòîðè÷íûì ïðèáîðîì ìîæíî ïîäîáðàòü?
ß ïîêà ñêëîíÿþñü ê äàò÷èêàì òèïà Ñàïôèð ÄÄ ñ îïðåäåëåííûì âûõîäíûì ñèãíàëîì, è ïîäîáðàò âòîðè÷íûé ïðèáîð ñ âîçìîæíîñòüþ àðõèâàöèè äàííûõ.

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Åñëè äèàôðàãìà óçàêîíåíà è åñòü ðàñ÷åò, òî â ÷åì ïðîáëåìà?
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C 2007 ãîäà ïðèíÿòà íîâàÿ ðåäàêöèÿ ÃÎÑÒ 8.586.1(-5) Èçìåðåíèå ðàñõîäà è êîëè÷åñòâà æèäêîñòåé è ãàçîâ ñ ïîìîùüþ ñòàíäàðòíûõ ñóæàþùèõ óñòðîéñòâ.
Åñëè ðàñ÷åò ñäåëàí ñ ó÷åòîì íîâîé âåðñèè äàííîãî íîðìàòèâíîãî äîêóìåíòà è äèñê ñîîòâåòñòâóåò äàííîìó ðàñ÷åòó, òî ïðîáëåì áûòü íå äîëæíî. Åñëè ðàñ÷åò ñòàðûé (äåëàëñÿ ðàíüøå 2007 ãîäà), òî äèñê íàâåðíÿêà ïðîñðî÷åí, ïîñêîëüêó íà âîäå äèñêè ðåâèçèðóþòñÿ 1 ðàç â 3 ãîäà.
÷òîáû óçàêîíèòü ïðîñðî÷åííûé äèñê íåîáõîäèìî âûïîëíèòü ðàñ÷åò ÑÓ ñ ó÷åòîì òðåáîâàíèé âûøåíàçâàííîãî ÃÎÑÒà, ïî äàííîìó ðàñ÷åòó ñëåäóåò èçãîòîâèòü è óçàêîíèòü íîâûé äèñê.

Ïî ïîâîäó äàò÷èêà - Ñàïôèð íå ñàìûé ëó÷øèé âàðèàíò. Åñëè ïðîéòèñü ïî ôîðóìàì, òî ïî äàííûì äàò÷èêàì óæ î÷åíü ìíîãî íåãàòèâíûõ îòçûâîâ.

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Êàê ÿ óæå ïèñàë, øàéáà åù¸ ñ ñîâåòñêèõ âðåìåí. Âñå äîêóìåíòû íà íåãî óòåðÿíû. Ñàì ïîêà íå áûë íà ýòîì îáüåêòå. Ñêâàæèíà ïîñòîÿííî â ðàáîòå, òàê ÷òî ñíÿòü è ðåâèçèðîâàòü, ñäåëàòü çàìåðû íåâîçìîæíî (õîòÿ ìû òðåáóåì ýòîãî). Áóäó íà îáüåêòå, ïîñìîòðþ ïàðàìåòðû ÄÌ-êè, è ÊÑÄ, ïîòîì îòïèøóñü.

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Êàê íà ïðåäìåò òîãî, ÷òî îñòðàÿ êðîìêà ñî âðåìåíåì ñòèðàåòñÿ è ïîêàçàíèÿ èñêàæàþòñÿ? Òåì áîëåå åñëè íå óçàêîíåíà, äà åùå è ñ ñîþçíûõ âðåìåí? Åñëè âàì íóæíà òî÷íîñòü ïëþñ ìèíóñ òðàìâàéíàÿ îñòàíîâêà, ïî ïåðåïàäó ÄÌà ïîäîáðàòü äàò÷èê, íàïðèìåð "Ìåòðàí", "Emerson", "Aplisens" èëè ÷òî-íèáóäü äðóãîå, áëàãî âûáîð åñòü, è îòäàâàòü (4-20)ìÀ, ê êîíòðîëëåðó ëè, ê ðåãèñòðàòîðó, â îáùåì êóäà íåîáõîäèìî. ÊÑÄ-2, äà ïðîñòÿò ìåíÿ îñòàëüíûå,  ÌÓÑÎÐ.
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Ñîãëàñåí ïîëíîñòüþ, "Ñàïôèð" ñîâñåì íå âàðèàíò.
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âîò èìåííî, ÷òî ïëþñ-ìèíóñ ñ òðàìâàéíîé îñòàíîâêîé, ÿ òîæå îá ýòîì ãîâîðèë êëèåíòó. Íàñ÷åò Ñàïôèðà, ýòî èõ ïðîñüáà, îíè ñ íèìè ðàáîòàëè (íå çíàþ êàê). Íàñ÷åò Åìåðñîíà èëè Àïëèñåíñà äàæå ãîâîðèò íå õîòÿò, öåíà îòïóãèâàåò. Íà âñ¸ ýòî äåíåã äàåòñÿ ìèçåð, è ïîýòîìó èç øèðîêîãî âàðèàíòà âûáîð íåâåëèê.

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Íàñ÷åò Åìåðñîíà èëè Àïëèñåíñà äàæå ãîâîðèò íå õîòÿò, öåíà îòïóãèâàåò.

Îíè ìîãóò áûòü íåìíîãî äîðîæå ñàïôèðà, íî çàòî äåøåâëå â îáñëóæèâàíèè, ïîñêîëüêó ó íèõ ïîäîëüøå ìåæïîâåðî÷íûé èíòåðâàë, äà è ïîòî÷íåå îíè áóäóò

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êàê âàðèàíò åñòü æå äàò÷èêè îò ýëåìåðà èëè ìåòðàíà
à ÷òî êàñàåòñÿ àïëèñåíñà åãî ñòîèìîñòü ïîðÿäêà 25-30 òûñ.
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Ó äèôìàíîìåòðîâûõ Ñàïôèðîâ íóëè óæ áîëüíî íåñòàáèëüíû... Íàìó÷àåòñÿ ýêñïëóàòàöèÿ, åñëè íóæíî áóäåò çà òî÷íîñòü ãîíÿòüñÿ.
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Ó äèôìàíîìåòðîâûõ Ñàïôèðîâ íóëè óæ áîëüíî íåñòàáèëüíû...


...íó ýòî ìû çíàåì, è çàêàç÷èê çíàåò. ïðîñòî ýòè ñàïôèðû â ñêëàäàõ åùå ëåæàò (íåëèêâèä), è öåíû íà íèõ ñìåøíûå ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ äðóãèìè. à âîîáùå, ïðîáëåìû óæå íåò, êëèåíò ñíÿë çàêàç, ìîòèâèðóåò òåì, ÷òî íà ñëåäóþùèé ãîä îæèäàåòñÿ êàï.ðåìîíò ñêâàæèíû, òîãäà è áóäåì äóìàòü.

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íå ìîãó íàéòè ðàñõîäîìåð íà âûõîä âîäîãðåéíîãî êîòëà íà òâåðäîì òîïëèâå íà 4 ÌÂò äëÿ êîíòðîëÿ óìåíüøåíèÿ ðàñõîäà âîäû ÷åðåç êîòåë. Ó ìåíÿ ýòîò ðàñõîä æèäêîñòè 132 ì.êóá/÷àñ=2200ë/ìèí.

áîëüøàÿ âåëè÷èíà-íèêàê íå íàéäó ïîäõîäÿùèé ðàñõîäîìåð...
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Ó ìåíÿ ýòîò ðàñõîä æèäêîñòè 132 ì.êóá/÷àñ=2200ë/ìèí.áîëüøàÿ âåëè÷èíà-íèêàê íå íàéäó ïîäõîäÿùèé ðàñõîäîìåð..

Äà íå òàê óæ ýòî è ìíîãî.
Äëÿ ïîäáîðà íóæíû ñëåäóþùèå äàííûå:
Äó òðóáîïðîâîäà
ðàáî÷åå äàâëåíèå
ðàáî÷àÿ òåìïåðàòóðà
ìèíèìàëüíûé è ìàêñèìàëüíûé ðàñõîä
âûõîäíîé ñèãíàë ñ äàò÷èêà (àíàëîãîâûé, äèñêðåòíûé, öèôðîâîé)

Äëÿ ÷åãî íóæåí ðàñõîäîìåð - ñèãíàëèçàöèÿ ìèíèìàëüíîãî èëè ìàêñèìàëüíî ðàñõîäà (òîãäà ìîæíî âîîáùå îáîéòèñü ñèãíàëèçàòîðîì) èëè êîíòðîëèðîâàòü ÷èñëîâîå çíà÷åíèå ðàñõîäà ïî âñåìó äèàïàçîíó èçìåðåíèÿ.

Ïðåäîñòàâèòå ýòè äàííûå - ÷òî íèáóäü ïîñîâåòóåì
Äà è åùå çàáûë - áþäæåò (÷òî íèáóäü ïîäîðîæå íî ïî êà÷åñòâåííåé èëè ïîïðîùå è ïîäåøåâëå)

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Âèõðåâîé ðàñõîäîìåð Äó80
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Ðàñõîä íå î÷åíü áîëüøîé. Åñëè ýòîò êîòåë íà îòîïëåíèå, ñîâåòóþ ïîñòàâèòü êîìïëåêò òåïëîñ÷åò÷èêà ñ ýëåêòðîìàãíèòíûìè ðàñõîäîìåðàìè Äó 80 èëè 100 ìì. È ðàñõîä áóäåò âèäíî, è òåïëî â Ãêàë èëè ÌÂàòò/÷àñ

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Çäðàâñòâóéòå.

Ïîïðîáóéòå ïðèìåíèòü äàò÷èêè "Ìåòðàí-ÄÄ-" èëè ïðîèçâîäñòâà "Ýëåìåð", òèï íå ïîìíþ, ïîñìîòðèòå íà ñàéòå. Äëÿ âûáîðà ïåðåïàäà, ìîæíî îðèåíòèðîâî÷íî îïðåäåëèòü ïî òåêóùåìó ÄÌ_ó. Ïðè èñïîëüçîâàíèè äàò÷èêà "Ìåòðàí" ñ ìèêðîïðîöåññîðíûì áëîêîì åñòü âîçìîæíîñòü ïåðåãíàòü íà äðóãîé ïåðåïàä, ýòî íà ñëó÷àé åñëè ïðè ïåðåðàñ÷åòå â áóäóùåì èçìåíèòñÿ çíà÷åíèå äåëüòà Ð.
Åñòü âîçìîæíîñòü ïðèìåíèòü âèõðåâîé ðàñõîäîìåð, åñëè êà÷åñòâî âîäû íîðìàëüíîå(ñì. äîêóìåíòàöèþ íà ïðèáîð), íàïðèìåð "ÂÏÑ", èëè ýëåêòðîìàãíèòíûé, "ÏÐÝÌ". Äëÿ âûáîðà ïîñëåäíèõ íåîáõîäèìî çíàòü çíà÷åíèå Äó, äëèíó ïðÿìûõ ó÷àñòêîâ äî è ïîñëå, êñòàòè, îíè îêàçûâàþ ìåíüøåå ñîïðîòèâëåíèå ïîòîêó è ìåæïîâåðî÷íûé èíòåðâàë ó íèõ 4 ãîäà( ó äèàôðàãìû 1 ðàç â 12 ìåñ.).

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Êîìïëåêò òàêîé ìîæíî:

Âèõðåâîé ðàñõîäîìåð "ÝÌÈÑ-Âèõðü" ÄÓ 80 = 70000 ðóáëåé
Ðåãèñòðàòîð "Ýëìåòðî-ÂèÝÐ" = 32500 ðóáëåé (êñòàòè ó íåãî åñòü âû÷èñëåíèå ðàñõîäà ñðåä â ñîîòâåòñòâèè ñ ÃÎÑÒ 8.586.(1-5)-2005 ïî ïåðåïàäó)

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Возвращаюсь в начало темы.
Наконец-то клиент созрел. Стоит скважина, стоит СУ, первичный датчик ДМ 3583 на 63 кПа, вторичник КС-2 ленточный. Необходимо подобрать датчик и вторичный прибор. Вторичка обьязательно с возможностью хранения данных, суточных не менее 90 дней, а вообще желательно на все 365 дней. Насчет датчика склоняюсь к Метрану, а вот насчет вторичника не знаю что выбрать. И ещё, эти приборы обьязательно должны быть сертифицированы на территории Казахстана. Заказчик госкомпания, и поэтому такие требования.

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Могу посоветовать в качестве вторичника РМ-1 "ОВЕН" там есть возможность сохранения, если хотите не дорого, помоему сертификат для KZ есть, можно посмотреть на сайте.Можно использовать и другие модели но создания архивов нужнен компьютер. В качестве первичного можно посмотреть и линейку Элемера у них много новых моделей есть и бюджетные. Но лучше конечно посмотреть в комплексе что у них есть и привязаться к существующим схемам. Может быть необходимо поменять вторичники и на других позициях, тогда можно подобрать видеорегистратор и использовать все его возможности (например у меня используются Ш9329.016 там есть возможность и сохранять и вести учет отработанного времени канала, суточные, месячный отчеты и.т.п. Если хотите убрать диафрагму, тогда можно использовать и ультрозвуковые в комплекте ПП с контроллером (например "Взлет" или UFM у них есть возможность выводить отчеты с контроллера пепосредственно на принтер с сохранением в памяти контроллера).
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