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Äîáðûé äåíü ôîðóì÷àíå.
Âîçíèê âîïðîñ, ìîæå êòî çíàåò èëè âñòðå÷àëñÿ, íîðìû ðàñõîäà ñïèðòà íà ÒÎ è ÒÐ ñðåäñòâ àâòîìàòèçàöèè, íèæíåãî óðîâíÿ è ÀÑÓ ÒÏ (êîíòðîëëåðû è ò.ä.).
Èìååì ýòè íîðìû, íî ðàñïèñàííûå åù¸ 20-25 ëåò íàçàä, ñåé÷àñ âîçíèê âîïðîñ ðàññìîòðåòü ñåé âîïðîñ âíîâü.
Çíàþ ÷òî ñóùåñòâóåò ìíîãî äîêóìåíòîâ íà ýòó òåìó òèïà ÎÑÒ 24980.05-86, ÐÄ-50687-89, ÎÑÒ 4.050.006-78, ÎÑÒ 4.030.006.
Íî âñå êàê âèäèòå ñòàðûå 70-80 ãîäîâ, äà è ïåðåëîïàòèâàòü ýòó òó÷ó äîêóìåíòîâ òÿæåëî.
Ìîæåò êòî âñòðå÷àëñÿ ñ òàêîé òåìîé èëè óæå ïðîõîäèë ýòèì ïóò¸ì - ïîäåëèòñÿ èíôîðìàöèåé.

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Ïðîñèäåâ ïîë äíÿ â èíåòå êîå-÷òî íàêîïàë, íî âñ¸ ýòî òàê ñòàðî ÐÄ 34.10.410, ÐÄ 34.10.411 ýòî 1989 ãîäà Ìèíýíåîãåòèêè, îñíîâíîé äîêóìåíò êîòîðûé åù¸ íåîòìåíÿëñÿ ÐÄ 50-687-89 Ãîñêîìñòàíäàðò òî æå 1989 ãîä, íåìíîãî ÑÒÏ ñòàíäàðò ïðåäïðèÿòèé, íî ýòî âñ¸ íå òî â ñâåòå ñîâðåìåííîãî ïðåäïðèÿòèÿ. Åäèíñòâåííî åñòü äîêóìåíò âðåìåííàÿ èíñòðóêöèÿ "Ñïèðò ýòèëîâûé. Óäåëüíûå íîðìû ðàñõîäà".(ÂÎÈ-ÑÝ)" â çàìåí áûâøèõ ÐÄ è ÎÑÒ Ìèíýëåêòðîíïðîìà ÑÑÑÐ, Ìèíðàäèîïðîìà ÑÑÑÐ è Ìèíïðîìñâÿçè ÑÑÑÐ è îáÿçàòåëüíà â êà÷åñòâå îñíîâíîãî ìàòåðèàëà ïðè ðàñ÷¸òàõ ïîòðåáíîñòè è óòâåðæäåíèè ñâîäíûõ íîðì íà ýòèëîâûé ñïèðò ïðåäïðèÿòèÿìè, ðåêîìåíäóåòñÿ ïðåäïðèÿòèÿì îòðàñëåé ïðîìûøëåííîñòè., âûïóñêàþùèõ ðàäèîýëåêòðîííûå èçäåëèÿ è ñðåäñòâà ñâÿçè. Ðàçðàáîòêà ÔÃÓÏ "ÊÁÎÐ" â 2004 ãîäó, íî íåò å¸ â ñâîáîäíîì ðàñïðîñòðàíåíèè èëè ïëàòèòü 2600 ðóá. Ìîæåò êòî âñòðå÷àë òàêóþ.

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À â èíñòðóêöèÿ ïî ýêñïëóàòàöèè íà îáîðóäîâàíèå ÊÈÏ, åñëè òàêàÿ ïðîöåäóðà ïðåäóñìîòðåíà çàâîäîì èçãîòîâèòåëåì, ðàçâå íå óêàçûâàþò íîðìó ðàñõîäà?

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Íà ñîâðåìåííûå ïðèáîðû íåò óêàçàíèÿ íîðì ðàñõîäà, ýòî òîëüêî íà ñòàðûå ïðèáîðû (òèïà ÌÑÐ, ÄÑÐ è ò.ä) áûëè ÷¸òêèå ññûëêè íà òèï è êîë-âî, ñåé÷àñ ýòîãî íåò, ïðîñòî ïèøóò êàê, ãäå è êîãäà.
Ïðîøäóäèðîâàâ äîêóìåíòû- ïîíÿë, ÷òî êàæäîå âåäîìñòâî (ôèðìà, îðãàíèçàöèÿ) ðàçðàáàòûâàåò ñâîè íîðìû, íî ñî ññûñëîé íà ÐÄ 50-687-89 è ïîäñòðàèâàåòñÿ ïîä òå òèïû, ÷òî óêàçàíû â äàííîì äîêóìåíòå.
Ïðèìåð: íè â îäíîé èíñòðóêöèè âû íåíàéä¸òå êîë-âî ñïèðòà íà ïðîòèðêó êîíòàêòîâ ïëàò è ðàçú¸ìîâ, à ýòî áåð¸òñÿ èç ÐÄ 50-687-89 è ïî êîë-âó ëàìåëåê íà ðàçú¸ìå âûáèðàåòñÿ íîðìà ðàñõîäà. Ðàäàðíûé óðîâíåìåð íàïðèìåð VegaPuls 66, ðàç â ãîä (ìîæíî ïîëãîäà) ïðîòèðêà êîíòàêòîâ íà ïëàòàõ, 2 ïëàòû ïî 40 ñ îäíîé ñòîðîíû çíà÷èò 160 êîíòàêòîâ + ñàìè ðàçú¸ìû åù¸ 160 êîíòàêòîâ, ïðîòèðêà ñòåêëà äèñïëåÿ 0,02 ì2 è ò.ä è ò.ï. Âîò òàê âèäàòü è ïðèä¸òñÿ ñîñòîâëÿòü ñàìèì (ïðàâäà + - êòî ïðîâåðèò).

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Ðàäàðíûé óðîâíåìåð íàïðèìåð VegaPuls 66

À êàêèå òàì ïëàòû â ýòîì ðàäàðíîì óðîâíåìåðå?
Åñëè ìíå íå èçìåíÿåò ïàìÿòü, òî â ñàìîì óðîâíåìåðå ãåðìåòè÷íûé èçìåðèòåëüíûé áëîê, ñ 4 êëåììàìè ïîä ïðîâîäà, + ðàçúåì ïîä PlicsCom + ðàçúåì ïîä VegaConect Èëè äðóãîé â çàâèñèìîñòè îò çàêàçàííîé ìîäèôèêàöèè.
Îáû÷íî óðîâåíü çàùèòû IP67 ÷òî ïðåäîõðàíÿåò î ãàçîâîê è äðóãèõ ïðè÷èí îêèñëåíèÿ.
Äà è â èíñòðóêöèè ïî ýêñïëóàòàöèè íà íèõ ÷åò íå ïðèïîìíþ ïðî ïðîòèðêó êîíòàêòîâ ñïèðòîì.
Ñäàåòñÿ ìíå, ÷òî ñïèðò ïëàíèðóåòñÿ ñîâñåì íà äðóãîå äåëî Big Grin

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Âû íå ïðàâû, ýëåêòðîííûé áëîê íå ãåðìåòè÷åí ïðè âñêðûòèè âåðõíåé êðûøêè, ïîä íåé ìîæåò áûòü áëîê PlicsCom, ñíèìàåì åãî îòêðó÷èâàåì 2 êðåï¸æíûõ âèíòà êðûøêè è ïîä íåé ïëàòû ÑÂ× è ïëàòà îáðàáîòêè, ëåãêî ñíèìàþòÿ. Ïðè íàøèõ óñëîâèÿõ (ïàðû ù¸ëî÷è, ïåðåïàäû òåìïåðàòóð, âûñîêàÿ èëè íèçêàÿ òåìïåðàòóðà, ïîâûøåíàÿ âëîæíîñòü, çàëèâû òåõ.ðàñâîðàìè) èíîãäà âîçíèêàåò ñèòóàöèÿ êîãäà âûñêàêèâàåò îøèáêà Å042/043 àïïàðàòíàÿ îøèáêà, äåôåêò, â èíñòðóêöèè ïèøóò ïðîñòî çàìåíèòü ýëåêòðîííûé áëîê. Ïî íàøåìó îïûòó (è íå òîëüêî Vegapuls) 90% ýòî ïîòåðÿ êîíòàêòà â ðàçú¸ìàõ (âî âñÿêîì ñëó÷àå â íàøèõ óñëîâèÿõ), èç 25 íàìè ýêñïëóàòèðóåìûõ äàííûõ ïðèáîðîâ çà ïî÷òè 10 ëåò òàêîå áûëî ðàç 15-16. Èìååì (èëè èìåëè) õîðîøèå êîíòàêòû ñ ðàáÿòàìè èç Vega, îíè ïîäòâåðäèëè, ÷òî ó íàñ òàêîå èíîãäà ìîæåò áûòü è äëÿ ïðîôèëàêòèêè ëó÷øèé âàðèàíò ýòî ÷èñòêà êîíòàêòîâ ëó÷øèé âàðèàíò. Ïðîñòî ïîéìèòå ó íàñ äîâîëüíî ýêñòðåìàëüíûå óñëîâèÿ ýêñïëóàòàöèè ïðèáîðîâ, à äëÿ òàêèõ öåëåé íóæíî êîíå÷íî ïðèîáðåòàòü ïðèáîðû ïðèñïîñîáëåííûå äëÿ òàêèõ óñëîâèé, ÍÎ öåíà, êòî æ ìíå èõ êóïèò, ïîýòîìó ÿ ëó÷øå ïðèîáðåòó 2 ÷åì îäèí. À ïðîäóêöèè Vega ó íàñ äàâîëüíî ìíîãî, êàê è äðóãèõ ôèðì Yokogawa, E+H îñíîâíûå èç íèõ, è âî âñåõ ýëåêòðîííûå ïëàòû ñèäÿò íà ðàçú¸ìàõ, à ïðè ÒÎ íóæíà îáÿçàòåëüíàÿ ÷èñòêà êîíòàêòîâ, õîòÿ îá ýòîì è íå ãîâîðèòñÿ â èíñòðóêöèÿõ. Òàì âåäü ãîâîðèòñÿ ÷òî îòïðàâèòü â ñåðâèñíûé öåíòð, à ýòî äåíüãè è íåìàëûå, à èõ íà ýòî êàê ðàç è íåäàþò, âîò è íàäî âûêðó÷èâàòüñÿ.

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